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>> he runs on healthcare reform. i will buy you dinner. >> no way, people hate it. >> sean: good to see you, greta is next. we'll see you back here tomorrow night. >> greta: tonight the secret service prostitution scandal, does the trail of evidence now lead to the white house? senator chuck grassley is going on the record. let's take a look at this. and the scene seeing around the world, it's an elbow to the head. and culprit is playing player that goes by the name of world peace. that is his name. up close to chaos on the court. right now, do you have a retirement fund? if so is the government stealing part of your retirement to pay some bills? sound outrageous. it could happen as they are desperate to bail them out of $15 trillion in debt. now, they are eyeing your 401-k to do it.
and noon hour of markets now and fox business network. he joins us. we dragged him off the fox business network just for tonight. nice to see you dennis. congratulations. >> nice to be here. >> greta: first after all 401-k retirement fund created 1980 the idea people could set money aside. what is the plan now. the government is desperate for money? >> so the government is looking around. we need to raise revenue. we got $15 trillion debt. hey, there is $18 trillion locked away inside retirement funds. we let americans when they put $15,000 in a year in a 401-k. they don't pay taxes on those earnings. it costs the government $200 billion a year if we started taxing all those contributions. there is two different plans. what this really is, it's a stealth attack on all of us. but there is two big plans.
right now you can deduct up to $50,000 in employers and employees put into a retirement fund. let's cut that deduction a $20,000. a 60% reduction and voila you are going to bring in more money. here is the other proposal. let's end all tax deductions entirely for all money that you put into your 401-k. the deduction for your employer or for yourself. let's then give you an 18% tax credit inside your retirement account so when you have to pay taxes, 20-30 years later you'll have that as a credit to reduce your taxes. the problem is it let's government collect up front from you money ahead of time. then years later will 40 thousands from now, you -- 40 years from now. so the government will collect some $438 billion extra. i'm guess can over a ten-year
period or something that would be a tax development. >> greta: there is something profoundly pathetic. the government is so desperate money, it's trying to think of ways promises it made before is how 401-k would be handled and now come up with ways they can skim it and get more cash instead of revving up the economy instead of what is letting what is happen with the economy, they let those derivatives go unregulated that sunk the housing prices. they have been having lavish parties at ggsa billions of dollars of fraud on government contracts, they turn to the american people who have been saving their money, following the rules, doing precisely the government set it up. they make it unstable and there is nothing that will poison the economy more when there is no certainty and instability in
their savings. figure, they are going out of their way to mess it up? >> expert groups are already upset about the plan. they say it would practically destroy savings in america. even low income people, 75% of full time workers are covered by these types of retirement plans. even the lowest income people in the smaller retirement plans could end up with 40% less money in their retirement plans. years ago you used to get deduction of $2,000. then they changed the rules, if you are income bracket you can't do that anymore. i stopped putting the $2,000 a year into the ira but i saved less because they changed that rule. on the other hand, we need money but we should be talking about how to unlock the economy to make it grow. >> greta: that is party. stop paying to download porn to
pay for those lawyers. why don't they clean up the government and do their job instead of going after americans and skim off the things that the americans have saved? there is a lot of things. there are lots of ways to get this money but they never perform their jobs and so what they want do now is americans that were prudent enough to put money away. that is just beyond me. >> i say basically what you said [ laughter ] >> greta: who is pushing this by the way? >> here the thing. you have a blue living commission doctor blue ribbon commission. and they come up with a bunch of proposals. this arose house today. that is republican dominated. so a friend of mine tonight, do you think this a plot by the obama administration to get the republicans to take up responsible consideration of whatever proposals we should look and deny then the democrat can look and say they want to
tax their retirement contribution. >> greta: the americans this is money, they saved on it and shame on the federal government. they can't pay their own bills so go back to the people and save. dennis, thank you and congratulations to the new show. gao says this is bad idea. some wonder is president obama is trying to pull one over on you. federal investigators say the obama administration is $8 billion of your tax money on bonuses for health insurance companies. companies that we are doing a mediocre job. what would the obama administration do that. we asked jon kyl. >> greta: so i brought my own cheat sheet. $8 billion experiment aimed at improving a key medicare program. republicans don't want the $8
billion spent. white house does and gao study says it's badly designed, unlikely to provide meaningful results. so first of all, what is this $8 billion program? >> medicare obviously takes care of the health care needs of our senior citizens. one of the options a senior can take advantage of is called medicare advantage. you pay amounts more for it but you get more benefits. obama didn't like medicare advantage. so much of the money that he needed to pay for obamacare, he took from the medicare advantage program. >> greta: who is paying the extra to begin with. paying extra? >> the government pays and assistance pace in. he needed $500 billion and so he took $500 billion from medicare. about third of that, $150 billion of that was from the medicare advantage program. that means less benefits. that means, if you like your
insurance you get to keep it, wrong. if medicare advantage about third of your benefits are being cut. just before an election this november, america seniors are going to have their election whether to go back to medicare advantage and if so which policy to buy. they are going to find all of a sudden, it's costing them more and not getting as much in the way of benefits. >> greta: so the money is going town while the menu of options because the government isn't spending that money to supplement the personal contributions? >> that's right. so senior citizens across this country, a third of arizona's beneficiaries have medicare advantage i think it's more in florida, they are going to say wait a minute. do you mean as a result of obamacare i have a lot fewer choices? i don't have as much coverage, eye coverage or dental coverage?
that's right. i might vote for the other guy. so along comes the obama team. let's spend $8 billion out of medicare trust and subsidize the programs so the seniors don't feel the effect of the obamacare cuts. >> greta: so this menu that is being cut for the number of options, it won't be cut if the president can find $8.5 billion someplace else to put into the pot so they get the same choices they had before and cuts will come later? >> that's right. before the election, nobody sees the cuts. after the election is when the cuts would occur. $8.3 billion is not just from anywhere it's out of the medicare trust fund which the trustees already said going broke in 2024. >> greta: so a little bit of politics going on but what
caught my attention, gao, not to be confused with the ggsa. which studied this, they are quoted as saying this idea, this program, this experiment was badly designed, unlikely to provide meaningful results. i take it you took that phrase from the gao study and went to the white house, look, this is a bad idea according to the gao. >> you have to ask the question, how could the administration get the authority to raid the trust fund with over $8 billion to give out to the companies before the election. the answer is, we're doing demonstration projects. >> greta: what does that mean? >> that the general accounting office. what demonstration project, you are not demonstrating anything. you are giving the same money to
the insurance companies that they would have gotten otherwise. you are not proving anything by it. it's not legitimate and not produce any usable results. so they call it a waste of $8.3 billion. if you are a taxpayer, that is big problem. if you are a medicare advantage patient, at least you are not losing out because of obamacare in the short run. if are president obama, you are better off because the voters don't see what the impact of obamacare is until after the election. >> greta: is there -- has the white house made any plans to replace the 8.5 billion that has been taken from the trust to put into this program so people don't get the medicare advantage cuts before election? what happens to the 8.5, its hole? >> its hole. in fact that money is coming out. trust fund which is already going to go broke in 2024 as i said. it's even worse not to complicate matters more but the
obama administration both took that money out of the medicare trust fund and said at the same time they were applying that to reduce the deficit. you can't use the money for both things. this has been called the double accounting. it was one of the things we complained about. >> greta: medicare advantage is for the more affluent person? because you spend a little extra. someone that is willing to spend a little extra? >> if you are in need of some of the benefits they provide, it would be very cost-efficient for you to do this. >> greta: i got that. but the money is being taken out of medicare trust so in theory the people that are going to get hurt that can't afford the extra for the medicare advantage, it's the people that just get medicare. they are losing $8.5 billion to help these people. >> everybody is losing.
your point is well taken. >> greta: if the president takes $8.5 billion and they have to find the money someplace else, it will take care of menu of options. so next year when they get the list of what they can get, that is when the cuts will go into effect? >> october actually. about 80% of this reimbursement occurs this year before the election this year. is there another two years. it's a phase down but the vast majority is before the election this year. as i understand it the medicare, but have the option every october to decide what plan they would buy. >> greta: i suppose, what percent is political and designed to get part the election and what is it an ideology this is best way to implement a program? >> it's clearly political. you might expect me to say that. it's so obvious in the general
accounting office which is apolitical has made the point. this is away of money unless you are in it for the politics, you want to disguise for effects of bad effects of obamacare is. i tell you what it reminds me, the comments that comment president made to dmitry medvedev, wait until after the election i can be a lot more flexible. he wants to get beyond the election so people don't see another problem with obamacare. >> greta: and gao agrees with you. >> senator, thank you, sir. >> greta: straight ahead, forget credit card debt. do you know what spur sur passed the credit card debt and who owes it? liz mcdonald is here and caught on camera, his name may be world peace but basketball star violent display on court was
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>>. >> greta: a college degree should open doors but the 2012 college grads may get doors slammed in their faces, the numbers are staggering. right now more than half 53% of recent college graduates shall jobless or under employment. experts say its double wham any mi they are also buried in debt. elizabeth mcdonald joins us. tell me how grim is this? >> it is pretty grim. unemployment rate with college grads is highest in 11 years as you just pointed out. it's grim because the college grads are coming a work force where full unemployment rate where so many layoffs have been hitting the u.s. economy. full unemployment is at 15%. so these college grads are taking jobs that will not be able to cover the cost of their tuition which continues to soar. getting jobs as bartenders or
retail clerks. this comes at time when college tuition is up about five times since 1999 when household incomes have been stagnant since then. >> i have looked at college tuition. some of them, a lot of universities like stanford and yale and harvard. they have endowments. harvard is $20-30 billion. they are assaulting on money while they charge these high tuition rates? >> that's right. the endowments are size of wall street hedge funds. tuition rates are gouging american families. and tuition goes to cover basically donald trump's real estate empire college administrators a running their colleges on level of hotel economics. they are paying for five-star cafeteria or n.f.l. style
college football stadiums or even way more bureaucracy than are needed. the ratio to administrators to students is 40 to 1 when it comes to teachers that is 15 to 1. so i think parents are reacting. they are starting to get the picture. it's not worth it. there is a college tuition bubble and the value of degree isn't worth it anymore. when we talk about how tuition is rising. state schools you see in california often do it in lock step. in f one school raises tuition, rest of them do it. if one of them builds a college stadium, the other will do it and tuition goes to cover expenses. >> greta: and this 89.2% national unemployment rate but when you look at the number of college b.a.holders under the age of 25 that are jobless, the
number is 53.6%. when you look at that. that is the young work force. those are the ones that are supposed to rev up the economy and expand and great thinkers of the future. they are simply sitting on the sidelines and buried in debt? >> so what is happening, as you point out, unemployment rate is b 11 years was 41%. right now this is an election year issue. it's becoming an issue for the congress and white house and for republicans from both sides of the aisle because interest rates and student loans are set to double this july if the government doesn't move to stop it. but then the argument is, loan rates were so easy to come by that they basically piled into these cheap loans when they may be should not have. >> greta: they might as well take a loan and try to get a skill than try to get a job, at this rate there are no jobs.
they were at their parents' home they will cash in their 401ks early. >> here is what the colleges are thinking. we're going to raise tuition and then we'll get more aid to the student which justifies raising tuition. they are in this collective slice of reality. they have caught the american family in a vicious cycle of their own making. this has has to be broken somehow. i'll tell you something, you have see the canaries in the coal mine. already they are seeing enrollment down. for profit college down and college enrollment down like places like ohio, illinois, nevada, some places in california, not because. economic downturn but they are deferring to college because it's so expensive. they are choosing not to enroll. >> greta: can you blame them.
it's a huge unemployment rate to spend a lot of money on college to be unemployed? >> it is so unfair that college sits on these endowments and not do enough to lower tuition. i understand people donate money and donors wanted to buy a chair in some kind of academic line of teaching there instead of funneling that money to lower tuition. but the colleges tend to do more. i read one static only 9% goes to lowering tuition but the rest goes to all sorts of expenses that does not help these students. >> greta: liz, thank you. come up, it's not hockey or football, it is basketball. the fans are stunned about the violence on the court. elbow to an ed to an opponent. our next guest was there.
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>> he goes by the name of melt ta world peace, was it intentional. mark, there shall three different views on this. you can watch it on tv or you can be there in person and different observations. you were there in person. i'm curious what you saw when i saw it in person i thought it was an accident. these threw his third dunk and he was emotional. when i saw the replace it was very clear this is not an accident for three reasons. it wasn't a basketball play. it came after a play. then another reason is the fact he raised his arm cocked it back and swung his elbow.
another reason is that afterwards, some of james hardin's teammates rushed after him. he took them sort of a boxer stance. he was ready to defend himself. that is what is troubling the most. as he awaits what the n.b.a. will decide what to do. >> greta: what was his immediate reaction after he did it. do you remember? >> as i was saying earlier. he elbowed james hardin, his teammates, they rushed toward him. he instinctively got in a boxer stance. referees and others --. >> greta: i mean after. that did he say anything after the game. after a short time with some reflock shone. after the game the lakers public relations staff told him and advised him not to take questions, but he did speak briefly before reporters.
he apologized for his transgressions and hopes that james harden was okay. it was an unintentional elbow. the statement lasted about 41 seconds. then he tweeted later on, apologizing hoping that james harden was okay. brought up an incident that actually happened to him last year where the lakers were playing the memphis in a basketball related play, mark desaul accidentally elbowed him. he didn't retaliate. he ran away from the action on the other side of the court to compose himself. that was his reaction. it will be interesting to see what he says later this week. >> greta: it was like he was suspended last year during the playoffs for an incident against the dallas mavericks. in terms of what is going to happen, n.b.a., will they take that into account or is that going to be isolated? >> it will be interesting because you mention that
incident. obviously years removed that incident in detroit where he fought a fan in stand for throwing beer at him. it was suspended 71 games. he has grown a lot since that. he has raised money for mental health charities and raffle off his championship ring but because of that long history of getting 111 suspensions at a game, i wouldn't be surprised it would be a factor. also what will be a factor, three things i outlined, it wasn't a basketball play. it came after everything was settled. it was a shot above the shoulder and the fact he didn't initially appeared to show remorse. he got into a boxer stance to defend himself. it will be interesting to see how the n.b.a. would react. they decided to wait presumably.
lakers don't have next game until thursday. so they can think things through. >> greta: not to mention to change that name again. world peace is right. he might want to go back to his original name. thank you. coming up secret service prostitution scandal, how deep does it go? is there a link to the race. chuck grassley goes on the record. and two minutes, major development in the natalee holloway case. is j slowly vote coming to the united states and why. ♪ ♪ ♪ and i never thought i'd fe this way ♪ ♪ the way i feel about you
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requesting back up in the search for missing child. isabel celis. she vanished from her bedroom over the weekend. u.s. and f.b.i. are assisting in this search. tucson police want the f.b.i. behavioral analysis unit and national center for missing and exploited children to help out. f.b.i. canine units have reportedly found some evidence but police are not telling us what that is. and spring is threatening to bring more snow and rain to eastern states. higher elevations getting hit hard. farther east, rain and flooding, more than 50,000 customers were without power on the peak of the storm sunday through monday. up to a foot of more snow in the higher elevations. >> greta: updates from several major criminal cases, first the trayvon martin murder case in florida. earlier this morning, george zimmerman was released from jail
on $150,000 bail. the charge of second-degree murder in the death of martin who was unarmed. zimdz has gone back into hiding. and commission jeblgt go the nation of embattled police chief. he came under fire for handling the case. they decided to keep him on temporary leave. in chicago in trial the man accused of killing jennifer sudden on's mother, brother and nephew. he is accused of exciting the murders and they called jennifer hudson on the witness stand, oscar winner broke down. she talked about the last time she saw the family members and didn't want her sister to marry balfour. he is taking the stand that balfour offered threatened her. he said, if you leave me, i'll kill your family first.
they felt pressured to make an arrest. >> campaign finance for presidential candidate john edwards on tuesday, he used money from wealthy donors to hide his pregnant mistress from the public. today prosecutors are calling andrew young to the stand. young testified that he heard a donor tell edwards i'm going to do everything i can help you to become president. edwards only use the donations to hide an fiaf from his wife. now to the secret service prostitution scandal. here is chuck grassley. >> senator, nice to see you. you've written a letter to the white house asking for an investigation. what investigation is that? >> it's the same natural extension, logical extension of what we're worried about with the secret service. secret service is investigating the use of prostitutes by their own a little down in colombia.
okay, so you probably know that the secret service works very closely with people from defense department that are assigned to the white house and work with communication people at the white house and advance people at the white house. we need to know for sure that what went on within the secret service, 11-13 people, was any of that going on at the white house. that is the purpose of the letter. >> greta: i assume you would agree nobody has greater interest in making sure that the white house is not involved than the white house itself. the president essentially is the greatest goal of the secret service is to protect the president? >> of course, that is what this is all about. to make sure that the president is properly protected, in the future. this is part of the culture of the secret service is the white
house have the same problems. is it just an isolated incident or has it been going on? you are worried about the protection of the president. is there any national security issues involved. >> greta: white house thinks it has done. military investigates its own people and white house thinks they have done enough to investigate their people. >> i know they have announced that today. i sent the letter on friday. on saturday and sunday to investigate, they have come to the conclusion there are no problems. okay, the natural follow-up are they going to make it public. this administration announced three years ago they are going to be the most transparent of any administration in the history of our country. we need to know the results of this investigation. i also would add this: they could have done a perfect job and i hope there is nothing
wrong, but one of the ways to make sure there is a credibility for everything is to let the office of inspector general or some independent person have access to it. have a access to the people and ask the same questions they've asked. i think we have every assurance when there is cooperation between the secret service, communication people, military people, advance people, between the white house and secret service that everything is handled okay. we don't want mistakes made by the secret service to show up at the white house. the closer you get to the president, the more of a problem you have. >> greta: is there anything in your mind as to why the white house, if they thought anyone on the white house staff, on the advance team was in any way complicity with this, would there be any incentive to not disclose it? >> then you get back to what the
president has set the standard, being the most transparent administration. they have a responsibility to make all of this information and these details, let it out to the public and let the pun make that judgment. i have suggested that it's a good thing to have inspectors genuine our agencies, homeland security, that is where the secret service is housed, to also have a parallel investigation just like presumably the homeland security of working with the secret service. i think that is pretty important. i'm also interested when it comes to the defense department investigating the defense department people, not just the people we've already talked about but there are people assigned to the white house particularly in communications
from the defense department. it seems to me it's very important there to make sure the inspector general the department of defense is involved in that investigation. you need the independence of an inspector general's office to give credibility. >> greta: the defense department is currently asking the secret service, investigating the secret service, do you have a problem with? >> that but i want the inspector general involved with it. >> do you have any reason to believe beyond what we knee? >> no. >> greta: anything suspicious to you? >> no, but you know director of the secret service he is going to get to the bottom of it. what you have to be concerned, is this an isolated incident of 12-13 people, a few people in the military making use of prostitutes? or sit part of culture of the organization? if it's part of the culture of the organization, it's deep-seated and that is major
problem to overcome. i've dealt with cultures and f.b.i. and a lot of other government agencies in my investigation we need to make sure that this does go deeper. if it does, we have major problems and national security and may involve the protection of the president. >> greta: and also involves how the world looks at us a little bit. if we have our secret service partying when they should be protecting the president. >> sure. >> greta: the lack of discipline. >> you are absolutely right. what has been for 150 years a pretty clean record for the secret service. >> greta: why did they break it this time? >> i don't know. it's part of the culture deep down but hopefully this is an isolated incident. if it goes deeper then we have major problems.
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you make as a presidential candidate who your running mate is the first presidential level decision that sees you make. the first time you are making a decision that you are going to have to live with. it gives the public a chance to watch you operate and see what you think is important, what kind of individual you choose to serve as your running mate. what are the criteria. i think the single most important criteria has to be the capacity to be president. that is why why you pick them. >> greta: one of names on the list is florida senator marco rubio. he campaigned with governor romney in pennsylvania, could it be a sign? no comment from either of them. >> and this one may be hard to believe but it is true. a soccer ball swept away from last year's tsunami in japan washed up on shore in alaska. it was the prize peflgs of a
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